Answer Please....The Question;
What is it?
Hamas seems to be a stumbling block to to "Muslim Bridges" http://www.muslimbridges.org/.
I read "Suicide Bombing" in their web site..
section called " Addressing Islamophobia"
I asked them if they were in agreement with Hamas...as to killing all the population of Israel,
After going around in circles, they refused to answer my question and
Their final reply to me was ...
"Peace"
Here is their article;
"Suicide Bombing"
Suicide is forbidden in Islam so the concept of "suicide bombing" is fundamentally unacceptable in Islam.
The intention behind suicide is to escape the problems of this life. Life has become so burdensome for them, they decide to end their lives.
Those who strap bombs around themselves in order to kill as many of the enemy soldiers as possible are not tired of life.
This is a form of military strategy.
The Hamas Movement resorts to this method of attack because they do not have the military strength to confront the enemy on the battlefield.
In terms of civilian deaths in Israel, those involved in the struggle there argue that the whole population undergoes military training and most carry arms, particularly the settlers in the occupied territories
In terms of civilian deaths in Israel, those involved in the struggle there argue that the whole population undergoes military training and most carry arms, particularly the settlers in the occupied territories
Consequently, the population at large are
not considered civilians, but military reserves.
They also argue that their military operations are not directed at civilians.
Targeting innocent civilians, whether by military operations, "intentional" or "collateral damage" such as combat airplanes dropping bombs in residential areas, suicide bombing, or any other form of war resulting in the killing of innocent civilians, is absolutely prohibited under any circumstances.
Targeting innocent civilians, whether by military operations, "intentional" or "collateral damage" such as combat airplanes dropping bombs in residential areas, suicide bombing, or any other form of war resulting in the killing of innocent civilians, is absolutely prohibited under any circumstances.
After reading it , I wanted to be clear on
how they felt about
this so called
"Military strategy" of Hamas.
On 3/19/07, bob <> wrote:
This is an enquiry e-mail via http://www.muslimbridges.org/
"Military strategy" of Hamas.
On 3/19/07, bob <> wrote:
This is an enquiry e-mail via http://www.muslimbridges.org/
The whole population undergoes military training.
That makes all "military reserves"..so suicide bombing is a form of
military strategy .thus ok. to blow up babies? children? The whole
population?
Is this a fatwa against terrorism....or is it condoning it?
Please be clear..
Do you condemn Hamas for this "Military strategy" ?
as they claim itto be.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Muslim Bridges
*To:* bob
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 20, 2007 1:47 PM
*Subject:* Re: Muslim Bridges: fatwa against terrorism....
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Muslim Bridges
*To:* bob
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 20, 2007 1:47 PM
*Subject:* Re: Muslim Bridges: fatwa against terrorism....
"Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful
preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for
thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive
guidance." -Holy Quran, Surah 16:125
Assalamu alikum (Peace be upon you) Br. Bob,
Thank you very much for taking the time and visiting Muslim
Bridges. We appreciate your message.
Regarding the topic of "suicide bombing", there is clear reference in
the last paragraph of the articles, as to the position of Islam on this
subject. Here is another short article titled "Notes on Islamic Jihad",
that you may find very interesting : http://www.muslimbridges.org/content/view/548/
Muslim Bridges is not a political site. Our goal is to build bridges
of understanding. President Carter has recently published a book
"Palestine, Peace not Apartheid", offering a sensible solution that could
bring peace to the entire M.East, and positively impact the entire
world. Here is a link for the book review, and a free book offer :
http://www.muslimbridges.org/content/view/42/35/
Here is one more article titled "Waiting for Jesus", reflecting our
common hopes for peace and prosperity, love of God, and mutual respect of
Jesus (Peace be upon him):
http://www.muslimbridges.org/content/view/433/81/
Thank you again. We hope to hear from you soon.
Best regards,
Your friends at Muslim Bridges
www.MuslimBridges.org
On 3/20/07, bob <> wrote:
Muslim Bridges does not have to be a political site to
preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for
thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive
guidance." -Holy Quran, Surah 16:125
Assalamu alikum (Peace be upon you) Br. Bob,
Thank you very much for taking the time and visiting Muslim
Bridges. We appreciate your message.
Regarding the topic of "suicide bombing", there is clear reference in
the last paragraph of the articles, as to the position of Islam on this
subject. Here is another short article titled "Notes on Islamic Jihad",
that you may find very interesting : http://www.muslimbridges.org/content/view/548/
Muslim Bridges is not a political site. Our goal is to build bridges
of understanding. President Carter has recently published a book
"Palestine, Peace not Apartheid", offering a sensible solution that could
bring peace to the entire M.East, and positively impact the entire
world. Here is a link for the book review, and a free book offer :
http://www.muslimbridges.org/content/view/42/35/
Here is one more article titled "Waiting for Jesus", reflecting our
common hopes for peace and prosperity, love of God, and mutual respect of
Jesus (Peace be upon him):
http://www.muslimbridges.org/content/view/433/81/
Thank you again. We hope to hear from you soon.
Best regards,
Your friends at Muslim Bridges
www.MuslimBridges.org
On 3/20/07, bob <> wrote:
Muslim Bridges does not have to be a political site to
answer my question .
I am asking it because;
When reading the topic "suicide bombings" the main subject was Hamas's
"Military strategy".
If this is a fatwa against terrorism, and you used Hamas as an
example, why would you not state if you agree or disagree with them.?
I am asking it because;
When reading the topic "suicide bombings" the main subject was Hamas's
"Military strategy".
If this is a fatwa against terrorism, and you used Hamas as an
example, why would you not state if you agree or disagree with them.?
Do you condemn Hamas for this "Military strategy" ?
as they claim it
to be.
to be.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Muslim Bridges
*To:* bob
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 20, 2007 2:41 PM
*Subject:* Re: Muslim Bridges: fatwa against terrorism....
*Targeting innocent civilians, whether by military operations,
"intentional" or "collateral damage" such as combat airplanes dropping bombs
in residential areas, suicide bombing, or any other form of war resulting in
the killing of innocent civilians, is absolutely prohibited under any
circumstances. *
Unlike bias media - always taking the one side, this statement applies
to all.
Best regards,
Your friends at Muslim Bridges
http://www.muslimbridges.org/
On 3/20/07, bob scha
I understand that..""targeting *innocent civilians* is prohibited
under any circumstances"..In Islam.....
Please understand what ..I am asking ......
..The "military strategy" of Hamas.. is as follows... The military
reserves are *"the whole population of Israel",*
The population of Israel at large are not considered civilian,
*So therefore ...to strap a bomb around oneself and to
*kill this population , *is a justified military strategy* of war *because
Hamas does not have the military strenght to confront the enemy on the
battlefield, and
Israel has no civilians.
*ok.. I got that ...But please tell me..*
Does Hamas have approval in Islam, to use this form of "Military
Strategy?.
Do you agree, with Hamas that it is a justified act, during war time ,
to strap a bomb around oneself, and blow up,
killing *non civilians , military reserves,
who, in this case are the whole of the population of Israel...?.??.
Your article " Suicide Bombings" explains the difference between Suicide
and Mililary Strategy, .
I never knew the difference, or that there was a difference..
thanks for the explanation.... but you have to understand...
This following statement means *NOTHING....*
Targeting innocent civilians, whether by military operations,
"intentional" or "collateral damage" such as combat airplanes dropping bombs
in residential areas, suicide bombing, or any other form of war resulting in
the killing of innocent civilians, is absolutely prohibited under any
circumstances.
Is just alot of *blah blah blah ...*if you don't define who are
*" innocent civilians"....*get what i'm saying?*
so......
Please ...
What do you say ... The population of Israel...
Are they " innocent civilians"...or
Are they "
military reserves" ..*
you said ......."Unlike bias media - always taking the one side, this
statement applies to all."
applies to all Do you mean All=-*innocent civilians*-.
Original Message -----
*From:* Muslim Bridges
> *To:* bob
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:16 PM
*Subject:* Re: Muslim Bridges: fatwa against terrorism....
Is there any reason you are only interested in the innocent civilians in
Israel and not the innocent civilians of Palestine. Aren't both the same
and both deserve the same ruling, the same human rights, and the right to
live in dignity? Do you not find Jimmy Carter's views and proposals to be
valid and positive for the sake of peace for all the people in the M.East?
The challenge we often see Br. Bob is the media only speaks of the victims
in Israel. This is wrong. There are innocent victims on both sides. Here
is a video clip that you may find interesting (the second segment of the
clip): http://www.muslimbridges.org/content/view/604/
We suggested a number of links in our earlier messages to give you
who, in this case are the whole of the population of Israel...?.??.
Your article " Suicide Bombings" explains the difference between Suicide
and Mililary Strategy, .
I never knew the difference, or that there was a difference..
thanks for the explanation.... but you have to understand...
This following statement means *NOTHING....*
Targeting innocent civilians, whether by military operations,
"intentional" or "collateral damage" such as combat airplanes dropping bombs
in residential areas, suicide bombing, or any other form of war resulting in
the killing of innocent civilians, is absolutely prohibited under any
circumstances.
Is just alot of *blah blah blah ...*if you don't define who are
*" innocent civilians"....*get what i'm saying?*
so......
Please ...
What do you say ... The population of Israel...
Are they " innocent civilians"...or
Are they "
military reserves" ..*
you said ......."Unlike bias media - always taking the one side, this
statement applies to all."
applies to all Do you mean All=-*innocent civilians*-.
Original Message -----
*From:* Muslim Bridges
> *To:* bob
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 20, 2007 10:16 PM
*Subject:* Re: Muslim Bridges: fatwa against terrorism....
Is there any reason you are only interested in the innocent civilians in
Israel and not the innocent civilians of Palestine. Aren't both the same
and both deserve the same ruling, the same human rights, and the right to
live in dignity? Do you not find Jimmy Carter's views and proposals to be
valid and positive for the sake of peace for all the people in the M.East?
The challenge we often see Br. Bob is the media only speaks of the victims
in Israel. This is wrong. There are innocent victims on both sides. Here
is a video clip that you may find interesting (the second segment of the
clip): http://www.muslimbridges.org/content/view/604/
We suggested a number of links in our earlier messages to give you
On 3/20/07, bob scha
WoW...You still have not answered me?
Please understand..
I never knew Hamas believed the population of Israel was military,
and not civilian, and that is what makes the
difference between suicide bombers
and the" Mililary Strategy of Hamas".
Why did you ask me .... "Is there any reason you are only interested in
the innocent civilians in
Israel and not the innocent civilians of Palestine." ?
I never said .. I do not care about the innocent civilians of Palestine.
That question has nothing to do with my questions....
Israel has not said; the innocent civilians of Palestine are non
civilians , they are military reserves.
Hamas did make that claim..You used it in your article " Suicide Bombings"
to explain the
difference between suicide and the military strategy of Hamas. .
That is why I would like to know
Is this an accepted "Military Strategy" in Islam? and..
Do you agree with it?
The questions are very clear, and I believe worthy of answers.
Will you answer them for me please.?
Thank you,
from ;Muslim Bridges
date; wed march 21,2007 12:48 pm
to; bob Subject:* Re: Muslim Bridges: fatwa against terrorism....
We regret, this discussion is going beyond the type of dialogue and healthy
exchange desired.
Here are 2 links that may help you put things into prospective (You stated:
Israel has not said; the innocent civilians of Palestine are non civilians
, they are military reserves.)
http://www.muslimbridges.org/content/view/135/
http://www.muslimbridges.org/content/view/136/
We are encouraged not to exchange in arguments and simply say "Peace"
Therefore, as our final reply.
Peace.
Original Message ----- From: bob
It appears there is a misunderstanding.
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